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The Conca-cussion, would you Adam and eve it?

Discussion in 'Richmond Ramblings' started by duncan, Feb 18, 2012.

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    http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/129123/default.aspx to see footage

    RICHMOND youngster Reece Conca may be facing a five week stint on the sidelines following a behind-the-play incident that left North Melbourne's Leigh Adams concussed.

    In behind-the-goals footage of the incident, Conca could be seen bumping Adams in the first quarter of Richmond's round one NAB Cup game against North at Etihad Stadium on Friday night.

    Conca's shoulder appeared to make contact with Adams' head, although the Tiger midfielder's elbow was not raised.

    Conca's biggest problem is the fact the incident took place about 40 metres behind the play.

    Under new tribunal guidelines introduced in December last year, any contact made behind the play will be deemed intentional in the absence of compelling evidence otherwise.

    The change was implemented after the AFL signalled its frustration with the two-match penalty given to Gold Coast Sun Campbell Brown for his off-the-ball strike on then-Western Bulldog Callan Ward early last season.

    If found guilty Conca could expect a penalty of up to five matches, although he may be able to reduce any penalty with an early plea.

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    And the funny thing is, this had none of the malice (or to quote Robbo, 'violence') of the Campbell Brown incident.

    To me, it looks as though Conca didn't see Adams until very late as he was coming in from behind him. Nothing aggressive in what he did, but it was just silly to do it as it's not worth the risk that you get it wrong, as Conca has, and getting suspended, as Conca will.

    The thing that might save Conca from a greater penalty will be the NM medical report. Scott mentioned in his post match interview that he was told Adams probably would've been right to go back on, but being the first game of the season Scott didn't want to risk anything. That indicates to me that he passed the concussion test. We saw last year that the final injury has a bearing on the MRP outcome (especially in regards to the sling tackles), so if it turns out that Adams wasn't concussed, he might be able to get three weeks and plea it back down to two, making him available for round one.

    Need to watch ourselves for the rest of the pre-season and pray for no injuries. We're already missing King for round 1, and will now probably be missing Conca, so any more suspensions/unlucky injuries and we could going in without 3 or 4 of our best 22, which we can ill-afford with our start to the season.
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    It's possible, having seen the vision, that Conca was looking at the play then suddenly saw Adams coming at him and, as a reflex, braced for the collision. He also had blood on his face, suggesting part of the contact was with the face. I still think he's a chance of getting off completely.
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    For what its worth, Adams has stated that the contact was accidental. Probably an attempt to save Conca, but at least they haven't done an Adelaide.
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    I'd almost agree, but as this is the first incident to be tried with the new 'behind the play' rule tweaks, they're going to throw the book at him to make sure this new rule gets off to the start everyone wants it to. I think that's incredibly wrong, but we know that's the way it's going to be. Don't be surprised to see him get four or five weeks, and then for someone to do basically exactly the same thing later in the year and get 0-2, just because the heat is off.
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    I think it's not accurate to say Conca pauses. He doesn't stop, he continues, looks back and you can see Adams right behind. Like RMEL said before in the NAB thread, what is a player supposed to do? Adams was not on the side of him, so Conca looks and puts the shoulder up as a reaction to seeing Adams right in his vision and follows through.

    Having Adams say it's an accident further states the nature of this. It's not as easy as just looking at footage when both players are mentally focused on the game at hand. It's easy for the viewers to say it was intentional.

    If the AFL are going to have new rules and implementing them with blind jurisdiction, then it was a good time to test them. Rules are rules, but if they can't be interpreted and just laid down even when both players said it was an accident, then there's no reasoning. You're human, rules are interpreted and applied. Don't really care how far it happens from play.

    If Conca came from the side or ran up to him, then fair enough, easy 4-5 weeks. But this is not the case and if he does get 5 weeks, we will know that the tribunal have no interpretations, just mindless sanctions.
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    I just can't see him getting off. He definitely pauses and braces at the very least 80m off the ball. We all know now all contact behind play is deemed intentional, not a lot of grey area to play with.

    I'ld love to see him get off but can't see it.
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    He'll go. Best we can hope for is only a couple of weeks. The AFL is becoming very over regulated but why not I suppose. The whole Australian thing is to regulate and punish everything, we get fined for everything, but that's another discussion I suppose.

    For a physical, contact sport there's very little contact you can make. Accidental contact is just that and I think it is unfair to insist the player take into account negligence, especially when they are encouraged to put their bodies on the line. Perhaps putting yourself in danger should also be reportable. That would go down well wouldn't it. Imagine ice hockey with our rule makers. lol. At least these rules protect the players I suppose.
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    The good news is that I believe because the NAB cup is an official competition and the incident occurred in, he should be able to serve at least 2 weeks of any penalty before the season starts. Go back to last year and the knock out NAB comp and we may not be so lucky. It is only the GF NAB cup week that unofficial for the 16 teams that don't make it. At least that is my understanding and it makes sense.
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    That's my hope too
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    Not "all". If someone is run into, and they couldn't do anything about it, then it can't be reportable. If Conca can argue that he didn't see the contact until it was too late to avoid it, then he should get off.

    I very much doubt that any NAB matches would count in a penalty.
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    Genuine question: If that's the case, how come Jake could play last night when he's suspended? Shouldn't that game have then counted as part of the suspension?

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    Because the offence was committed in a different comp. I seem to remember someone being suspended last year from a round one NAB from another team and I seem to think because his team won through to the next round, that counted as one of his suspended weeks.

    I may be wrong, but one of the papers this morning seem to think he will be able to serve some in the NAB.
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    I was at the game, right in front of the incident. And really nobody had any idea what happened. There was a group of players running from both sides out of the 50, and then suddenly there was a Nth player down and nobody knew what happened. After a while he got back up and jogged off, so I think 5 weeks is waaay too much. 2 weeks I can understand.

    I'm not entirely sure why King was allowed to play. But from what I understand, he is suspended from playing 2 matches of the home & away season, thus allowing him to play in the NAB cup.
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    Can he still win the Brownlow ???????[:-cry]
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    If Conca is rubbed out the first 2 weeks will be NAB Cup... Then again he may get off... Chris Judd got off scott free for the first of his eye gouges remember.
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    But Conca isn't a protected species, Magic17. :rolleyes:

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    Sorry Dunc I think you are clutching at straws. He stops and braces that shows intent and he could have sidestepped and missed him altogether.
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    But why did he stop? If he was watching the play, and stopped because he wasn't sure which direction the ball was going to go next, then that puts a different slant on things. I just can't determine that he stopped in order to be able to contact Adams, or that he had any chance of avoiding the collision.It may have been a reflex action to brace. There's no way that I can determine his intent. The vision is inconclusive, on what I've seen.

    I think the matter is not clear cut.
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    it will be as far as the tribunal is concerned. o_O

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